Manufacturer :– Firow Custom built Exclusively for Gwyn Lewis 4×4 to our own very specific specifications. Not to be confused with other similar looking propshafts available elsewhere.
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Part Number :- GL-DC-D2-EXT-600-BLUE, Discovery 2 TD5 Front Double Cardan EXTREME Wide Angle HD 1310 Prop Shaft
Part Number :- GL-DC-D2-EXT-600-BLACK, Discovery 2 TD5 Front Double Cardan EXTREME Wide Angle HD 1310 Prop Shaft
Working length :- 637mm + – 8mm
Fits :- Discovery 2 TD5, fits straight on to the Discovery 2 Transfer Box Flange.
Weight :- 13.4KG
This fits straight onto a Discovery 2 style transfer box flange you will not require a Defender Transfer Box Flange to fit this one.
These HEAVY DUTY 1310 Double Cardan wide angle propshafts are custom made for us to our specification. This version has the superior Italian Double Cardan unit and has no need for a new output flange, the double cardan end is compatible with the Land Rover Discovery 2 TD5 transfer box output flange, as you can see in the pictures, it will bolt straight on a Discovery 2 td5.
For those looking for our strongest prop shafts please see more info on our 2020 MEGA props HERE. These are for extreme use off roaders with large aggressive tyres and upgraded driveline.
These propshafts are made to a very high standard, please don’t compare these to cheap import ones.
We can also supply a 1310 ULTRA EXTREME Double Cardan propshaft for your Discovery 2 that has the slider on the Double Cardan end, or an even stronger propshaft, 2020 MEGA Double Cardan propshaft that also have the slider on the Double Cardan end, which means the slider is out of the mud and water.
The Double Cardan end goes up to the gearbox/transfer box, you will need a Defender TD5 Front transfer box output flange conversion to fit the propshafts.
Do I need a Wide Angle or a Double Cardan Propshaft :-
A Wide Angle Propshaft is mainly used on and off road when you have fitted longer travel suspension with more axle drop out and your original propshaft is binding on the joints, they can sometimes help with vibration problems, but if they can’t cure the vibration problems a Double Cardan may have to be used. The wide angle propshafts are easier and cheaper to repair than a Double Cardan.
A Double Cardan propshaft is mainly used on road to help prevent vibration problems when driving on road. They are also wide angle to cope with long travel suspension. That is the reason they are the most expensive Propshaft we have available. Propshafts can sometimes fail due to the angle they are running at, if this does happen to a Double Cardan, they are very difficult and expensive to repair.
Wide Angle and Double Cardan Propshafts on Land Rover vehicles will require regular maintenance and repair due to the angles they are used at, especially with a suspension lift. For example, every inch of lift will roughly add 3 degrees on the average front Propshaft angle.
To check your propshaft angles, you can download an angle app to your phone. Zero the device on your handbrake drum, transfer box or drive flange and measure your propshaft angle. Please be aware the steeper the angle the more wear and problems your propshaft will have.
Please note these propshafts have heavy-duty round flanges, when fitting make sure you clean up all flange faces as they should not sit on top of dirt or rust.
Brush grease onto flange faces this will help prevent rust.
The Double Cardan end bolts onto the transfer box flange.
You must ensure all UJs and the slider are fully greased on fitment and are regularly greased during use.
After greasing cap greased joints, you must make sure the grease nipple does not allow grease to leak back, they must seal after greasing. If you have dirt in there, they will not seal. If this is the case the grease nipple must be replaced or capped with our plug.
Always make sure your propshaft can still turn with your axle at full suspension drop out, long-travel suspension can allow the axle to drop down too far causing the joints to bind and break.
I would not recommend over-caster correcting a Discovery 2 as the Diff angle is quite steep already.
This propshaft has 3 fully greaseable UJs, and the slider is also greaseable.
Why Fit a Double Cardan propshaft:-
A Double Cardan propshaft is used mainly to help reduce propshaft vibrations on lifted vehicles where running angles have become steeper.
The Double Cardan end is fitted to the gearbox as this is normally the steepest angle.
Although these propshafts are 30/40 degree wide angle, no propshaft should be run with a steeper angle of 5 degrees as this causes premature universal joint wear, especially when used on road as they overheat.
By fitting a Double Cardan propshaft you have 2 universal joints at the Double Cardan end which reduces the joint angle by 1/2 making them last longer compared to a single joint on a normal propshaft.
Between the 2 joints, there is a ball and cup that holds the 2 joints together, again with suspension lifts these can overheat and wear out quicker.
- Double Cardon propshafts are used to help reduce propshaft vibrations on lifted vehicles, especially after caster correction.
- 30 degree wide angle to prevent the propshaft binding up on long travel suspension.
- 40 degree wide angle on the Double Cardan end.
- Heavy Duty Round Flange Face (not the old square type), that bolts to gearbox Flange 95mm PCD and diff Flange 79.4mm PCD.
- This version has the superior Italian Double Cardon end to bolt to a Discovery 2 td5 transfer box.
- Higher torque capacity than a standard Land Rover propshaft, using 60mm heavy duty high torque tube.
- Bolts straight on a Discovery 2 TD5 transfer box flange 95mm PCD see pictures.
- Heavy duty 1310 series Universal Joints (27mm x 81.8mm) with nylon thrust washers and metal/rubber seals, the nylon thrust washers also have a cross in them to allow grease to get to each cup when greasing them.
- Rilsan coated spline for smoother operation and helps eliminate vibrations.
- Upgraded involute spline configuration with 18 splines that is also GREASEABLE which is a feature only found on our propshafts.
- Internally plug welded to hold the grease in the slider.
- Double seal arrangement on the slip assembly, with 110mm of movement and full spline contact on the male and female slider to help with long travel suspension.
- Phased when required to reduce vibrations.
- All prop shafts come with a tube of k48 grease.
Propshaft universal joint wear and vibration is a problem on Land Rover vehicles, on lifted vehicles, this can be more of a problem as it steepens propshaft Universal Joint working angles to the point where they overheat and vibration problems can become an issue. Caster Correction also steepens UJ working angles so can cause more vibration and overheating problems. No prop shaft should be run for long periods with a steeper running angle of more than 5 degrees, anything above this angle used for long journeys will cause the UJs to overheat, the grease will dry up and cause premature wear. This is always a problem with Land Rovers. For example, if you are driving at 50mph at 2000RPM the propshaft is revolving 2000 times every 1 minute, the steeper the angle the faster the needles are revolving in the caps, this is why they overheat, on a Double Cardan at these speeds the ball in-between the 2 joints is also working hard and getting hot, eventually, it will cause the rubber boot over the ball to fail.
Vibrations are normally felt on overrun, around 50mph where you are not accelerating or engine braking, the whole transmission is “slack” on overrun.
The centre diff inside the transfer box can “rattle” around at this point, both output drive flanges are only supported by outer bearings and the inner shafts just slide into the centre differential. There is always some play in the shafts and gears you then feel some play (Up Lift) in the outer drive flanges as the shaft pivots on the bearing, this then causes the flanges to rotate out of shape. These are all unbalanced parts and can themselves be the cause of transmission vibrations, sometimes I have seen fitting an imbalanced propshaft can cure vibrations as it balances out the transfer box imbalance.
A Double Cardan propshaft is often successful in helping to solve these vibration problems but it is not a true cure, it can hide the problem to the point where it is not noticed or becomes bearable.
A Double Cardan propshaft has two UJs at the Double Cardan end, between the two joints there is a ball and cup that holds the two joints together, this is positioned at the front transfer box flange (where the steepest working angle is on all Land Rovers) These two UJs together halve the angle at the transfer box, halving that angle helps to reduce wear and vibration problems caused by steep running angles, however, the ball and rubber boot in-between the two joints may also overheat and wear out as it is under more strain, if the rubber boot over the ball is showing signs of cracking or leaking grease it needs replacing before the ball is worn out.
A Wide Angle propshaft alone is not always enough to help with vibration problems. A good quality Wide Angle propshaft can be enough to solve some vibration problems however the UJ’s are still working at the same angle as a standard propshaft.
A Wide Angle propshaft can turn through a wider angle before yokes bind, this is to accommodate long-travel suspension movements (axle drop out) off-road, it does not mean that the propshaft can be run at steep angles on road. UJ’s will wear quicker when run at steep angles. Ideally for road work UJ’s should be running between 2 to 5 degrees, beyond 5 degrees UJs will overheat causing quicker wear and vibrations can become an issue.
Our propshafts, Wide Angle and Double Cardan, are made with long slip sliders to accommodate long-travel suspension. A propshaft spacer should NEVER be used for any reason. By adding a spacer, you will cause damage to your driveline if your propshaft can not close up enough.
Please note that propshaft UJ`s on lifted vehicles are under more strain and require REGULAR GREASING to help prolong their life.
Ensure your capped greased joint does not allow grease to leak back from the grease nipple they must seal after greasing. If you have dirt in there, they will not seal. If this is the case the grease nipple must be replaced or capped with our plug.
We can also make non standard custom length props.
If you are unsure what you need please contact me.